that doesn't explain why though?

Preposterous. (I hope that word wasn't too long for you.) So-called PvP-ers (read: gankers) make this idiotic claim all the time. Your guess is as good as mine. You can toss this BS in with the "hate miners" thing. Just remember, all sociopaths must "objectify" others so they can feel good about themselves engaging in pointless and destructive behavior. (How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles.)

It's not that they hate. They feel nothing. It's that using the word "hate" (they imagine) engenders the right groupthink to mask behavior they themselves have a problem with...but are too embarrassed to admit.

No. They don't hate miners. They just say that. They think it makes them seem tough, when it's just a form of cowardice.

Yep. This is a good way of saying it. I enjoy being in an unarmed can on the verge of being shot at. I think it's a fun mechanic.

How remarkably immature it is for someone over the age of five doing things for giggles.

Hi Rod, thanks for your daily dose of tears, see you tomorrow.

Miners are adorable. They are the hard working class. They put their life on the line for us. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have our ships.

Speaking of sandcastles, there are two kinds of players in EVE.

VETO!

Since the Prospect is here, I actually DO enjoy mining now and then. OK, it's not like im geting rich in the proces, but except real PVP, there is nothing like plain ignoring 30+ NPCs in a "hidden"-Belt, see a Navy-Comet warping In, Zoom Off with MWD and see the Comet scramed and shred to pieces by the NPCs you did simply speedtank... AND having 10.000m-¦ of Lowsec-Ore in your Cargo

I'm a miner myself but the hate generally directed towards us doesn't bother me at all. I mine to make my money while I train my combat-oriented skills.

In fact, this hate towards miners encourages me to fit my exhumer intelligently and to always be on alert in case of random gankers or bumpers who wish to ruin my day.

Do I actually enjoy mining? The answer is I don't mind it when I have my music playing in the background while I'm either chatting away with contacts of mine or random people in local, but then again when I mine I have Cosmic fleeted up with my other toon so managing 2 exhumers plus an Orca for hauling my ore kind of breaks the monotony.

I do agree though that mining with just one toon in one ship can be pretty boring, especially when your not doing something concurrently.

At least Cosmic has a delicious body wrapped up in black latex that I can stare at in full-body view while my 2 exhumers sit in space shooting lasers at space rocks.

I do. The best thing about having a mining vessel already in belt is it makes an excellent scout to warp to with an alt.

Why? For the same reason that 4th grader just got beat up by the five 7th graders. The difference is, in EVE, if you cry about it you'll just beat up again tomorrow.

Is it right? Nah, and yah the over-harassment of miners does make us lose some subs with new players. All you can do is pity the "players" that would rather pick on a HS miner instead of a PVPer.

lol.
Was already covered by a couple of people on the first page but.. People don't hate miners.
Also, Anslo.
Sol Project probably PvPs.
Which contributes to the game.

The same can be said about gankers. They dont contribute to the community at all, interaction with them is basically on an NPC level (i.e. getting attacked, nothing else) and they are periodicaly blown up by CONCORD/tanked barges with drones for the amusement of others.

There are people that hate anyone doing pve, why because they think they have everything already and can't understand why everyone else does not.

But lets take this to its logical conclusion.

All mining stops. what happens the existing minerals on the market go through the roof , massively increasing the prices of the ships pvpers use, making them very risk adverse, thus slowing active pvp down a lot.

Now one step more. ah yes Missions/ incusions/sites and Ratting now must stop as...oh yer hate on pve.

No more income and no more minerals added to the market, making existing ships and modules skyrocket in price.

If you stop PVE you will have no more PVP unless you enjoy running around trying to dodge swarms of velators.

You overestimate your importance to the state of the game.

With CCP about to deal the deathstroke to so very many ISBoxer accounts, thus far the only thing that I've really noticed that effects me is lower plex prices.

And that's a good thing. So it seems to me that the game could very well do with less of you.

My wife's in the hospital, and I'm posting from my phone when she's asleep. Since I've read the few books I brought with me thrice over in the last week(although the 5th edition Dungeon Master's Guide is delightful), I have little else to do.

"get a life" indeed.

By the same token, reds are just more sophisticated belt rats that need to be shot at with only overwhelming force.

Hate?

Hate is a strong word.

Even so, people act as though the emotions they convey in-game bear any quantifiable resemblance to their real life identity and mental state. I don't hate anybody in Eve - In fact i'd probably get along great with a lot of the people i've had disagreements with, if I were to bump into them on the street. Who I am in this game is about as true-to-life as my character's six-pack abs.

I've been a downright ******* to some people in this game. Do I hate them? Not at all. I do what I do because I can (Because I find it entertaining to some extent), because it's part of the game and because that is Eve. I make sure not to take it personally when It's my turn to be on the receiving end.

Funnily enough you are the one who seems to have a problem since you are saying all miners are the hateful ones.

Please remind me when i last wished death to rain down upon a gankers head? Since i am a miner after all and really must hate people who decide to play the game in the manner that they wish. We may disagree on what our definitions of PVP mean , but don't make me out to be some nutter!!

Also aren't you diverging from your leader's evangelical statements that you are helping miners in this game to interact more by blowing them up and not because you are doing it for your own benefit? Hopefully you will see the errors of your ways and rejoin the faithful on the righteous path of the tue direction of Eve.

What surprises me, is that CCP allow these really tired 'tough guys' disparaging other folk who do not play the game the way 'they' want them to, to be aired time and time again.

So long as folk do not break the rules as laid down by CCP, how folk choose to play is and should be, entirely up to them.

Because the person in the club is the same person out of the club.

Players that role play miner killing psychos in game are role playing the same way an actor that plays a homophobic murderer in a movie is just acting. Shockingly enough, we don't throw actors that portray such villains into prison.

This is the issue with carebears, not just miners. They're unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, simply assuming that something is wrong with their enemies in real life. It's due to this fallacy they believe they have the right to spew hateful comments about them. It's this very attitude that gives carebears such a bad reputation.

Fix your sarcasm detector, Sol. He's poking fun at CODE for the language they use. He even included a smiley.

Perfect example of what is said when a player cannot distinguish fantasy from reality. Thank you!

And here's me thinking we were going to have a mature discussion.

Sigh.

Protip: mature discussion involves dispelling misconceptions.

Don't even try, he is just a troll. "Discussions" with him always end like that.

If she thinks CODE is naughty and bad and people in it are evil....

What must she think of the mess the Blood Raiders leave?

So much awesome in that series it defies description.
Made me watch the actual series, which is also pretty awesome.

Oh yeah, topicality. Grrr, miners. Grrr gankers.
Grr, sandbox.
I should be shooting someone's ship right now.

FSW-3C is under the protection of agents of the Amarr Empire, and CODE. are Kill On Sight there, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

*biggrin*
*sigh*
maybe!

I slapped some hoes in Grand Theft Auto once, clearly i am a bad person in real life because of it.

Personally I don't give a flying monkeys if you blow stuff up for profit or not, we are talking about different levels of gaming here which makes Eve a truly fascinating game.

So put words into my mouth to justify yourself, and a snappy little HTFU last sentence if it makes you feel better, it bothers me not.

Name calling, well if that makes you feel good keep at it, you certainly made me laugh.

lol, I translate this is "Lady is too close to the truth, time to get all defensive about it".

Looks like jealousy to me, maybe because CODE is something that actually worked and still exists, and that has had a lasting impact on the game and it's community while Dracs.....efforts....have been, erm, lets say, 'less successful' (and that's putting it nicely lol).

JAMES 315!
Oh wait he just trolls his own blog.

*blushes hard*

Why is it such an imposition on some people to simply protect themsleves?

In a game which is clearly advertised as "Do as you want", why do you expect no hostile competition?

No organised crime?

No muggings?

No serial killers?

There is no them and us in regards to miners and other professions.

There are the smart and there are the weak.

There is nothing else.

Nuff said

Btw what the foolish think there Hardcore PvPer's forget is without Miners they would albe flying around in noob ships as it's the miners that are at the top with out you no ammo other than from NPC and they don't sell that much.

Even when the "defenseless" won't even take the time to bother defending themselves?

If a hockey team took to the ice but after the whistle didn't bother to go after the puck, but rather just stood around doing nothing, would you boo them or the team that was scoring all the goals against them?

"gf" is a token of respect.
No reason to gf if no fight happened.
No reason to give if you do not respect your "opponent".
One gives a "gf" on your own free will.
Demanding it, is ridiculous...


"gf"s happen mostly in games like Battlefield, or Starcraft, not so much on MMO with the exceptions on certain arenas.
Codies want to be villains, why the should they be respected?
There are hard feelings and codies make a point to create them.
To request for "gf" is just a way to anoy the victim more.

I havent seen any gf in EvE when it comes to fight.
OK, wait, on sisi...

"gf" is a token of respect.
No reason to gf if no fight happened.
No reason to give if you do not respect your "opponent".
One gives a "gf" on your own free will.
Demanding it, is ridiculous...


"gf"s happen mostly in games like Battlefield, or Starcraft, not so much on MMO with the exceptions on certain arenas.
Codies want to be villains, why the should they be respected?
There are hard feelings and codies make a point to create them.
To request for "gf" is just a way to anoy the victim more.

I havent seen any gf in EvE when it comes to fight.
OK, wait, on sisi...

no point in trying to explain if he doesn't know by now he never will.
a little respect goes along way

"No hard feelings" is only a part of it.
But since, i explained it in detail and it is really simple, it is you that does not want to understand.
Better read again.

where the pot the kettle wants to call it black

blowing a miner out the sky and saying GF is bollocks as there is no fight I don't hunt miners never have never saw the point i rather lose a good fight than win a **** one so get your facts right

I think if you hung around with some adults you may find things are different from how you perceive them to be.

And who are "these people"?

WTF are you talking about your -0.01 i got worse than that for parking in from of a jump gate damn you Space wardens

-10 of not agreeing or disagreeing with badge of honour but with a -10 if there in a station in anything but 0.1 - nul sec there dead on leaving so unless you can go find a -10 hiding some how in a high sec or even low sec station pop them and prove yourself or better still come find me afk I will be here and watching YouTube to give you a head start.

WTF has any of this waffle got to do with the OP?

People deserve some common decency. When I lose my ship in a failed gank, or while doing something unrelated to ganking I always give a 'gf'. It's just a game and if another player beats me in an encounter I think it only polite to offer a 'gf'.


I am not even -10 right now. But to the point, I am not exactly sure how you think ganking should be done to be "honourably", but aside from bouncing around in a Thrasher hunting random pods and shuttles, it is essentially impossible to gank without a warp-in because of the game mechanics. There is no way I can land on a belt and reach a miner before the faction police grab me unless the miner is right on the warp-in point. And haulers, especially the big ones, require even more coordination.

Remove the faction police and you might get what you want, but until then, we are limited to ganking the only way the game mechanics allow.

partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about